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PostSubject: Massive TM abuse   Wed May 02, 2012 5:40 pm

This was posted by Wilf, and i think everyone should get to see it. I believe Wilf should be fully supported by the community, and the manager(s) involved should be instantly banned, no warnings etc. Thanks to AMZ for preserving it, and sending it to me.

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I know I am going to get a ban for posting this here, but tbh I am too chuffed with finally solving this one, that I am prepared to be kicked off the game forever. I have been trying to catch this fella out for so long, but its finally clicked today(see edit at the bottom for the switch suddenly being flicked on)

It is a very long read, but its worth copying and pasting elsewhere, as I have a feeling only a few people will see this before it is deleted.

I finally put 2 and 2 together and came up with the mother of all TM abuse cases

http://www.blackoutrugby.com/game/club. ... y&id=73040 - sea view warriors - buys off waikato and then sells for massive loss of 500k in 6 weeks
Buys off penryn ilsanders and then sells for 900k loss 6 weeks later. Buys again of penryn for massive amount (800k non mp 17 yr old), no doubt sell asap and buy again.
17th june 2011 joins BR.
Monday 16 April 2012, 8:41pm 92.15.XXX.213
Sunday 15 April 2012, 9:54pm 92.15.XXX.213
Monday 2 April 2012, 8:30am 92.15.XXX.213
Sunday 25 March 2012, 6:44am 92.15.XXX.213
Monday 27 February 2012, 4:20am 92.15.XXX.213
Monday 20 February 2012, 4:22am 92.15.XXX.213
Sunday 19 February 2012, 4:33am 92.15.XXX.213
Tuesday 14 February 2012, 2:45am 195.59.XXX.105 (Very similar IP to Somerset vikings and Kp roofers)
Monday 16 January 2012, 1:48am 92.18.XXX.196
Sunday 8 January 2012, 10:51pm 92.18.XXX.196
Also sells for daft amounts to sketch11
Kenyan offsite have been warned not to give him access

http://www.blackoutrugby.com/game/club. ... y&id=75780 - sketch11
First purchase was from waikato maori chiefs for daft amount. Also buys from penryn islanders for daft amounts. Sells for daft amounts to Somerset Vikings. Also sold to a team called KP roofers
Monday 16 April 2012, 11:44pm 212.183.XXX.108
Sunday 15 April 2012, 3:50am 212.183.XXX.17
Saturday 14 April 2012, 7:26am 212.183.XXX.187
Friday 13 April 2012, 8:45pm 212.183.XXX.187
Thursday 12 April 2012, 4:18am 212.183.XXX.152
Wednesday 4 April 2012, 11:33pm 212.183.XXX.189
Wednesday 4 April 2012, 9:20pm 212.183.XXX.189
Monday 26 March 2012, 8:52pm 212.183.XXX.248
Friday 16 March 2012, 8:44pm 212.183.XXX.38
Thursday 15 March 2012, 9:21pm 212.183.XXX.38
Joined BR on 13th dec 2011

http://www.blackoutrugby.com/game/club. ... y&id=70320 - Somerset Vikings
First purchase was from waikato maori chiefs for daft amount(notice a link here!). Also buys from penryn islanders for daft amounts. Sells these players at a loss(notice the link) Sells for daft amounts to Somerset Vikings
Monday 16 April 2012, 11:54pm 195.59.XXX.104
Monday 16 April 2012, 11:53pm 195.59.XXX.104
Monday 16 April 2012, 11:48pm 195.59.XXX.104
Monday 16 April 2012, 11:22pm 195.59.XXX.104
Friday 13 April 2012, 11:01pm 195.59.XXX.104
Monday 2 April 2012, 11:22pm 195.59.XXX.104
Monday 26 March 2012, 10:11pm 195.59.XXX.104
Friday 24 February 2012, 4:19am 149.170.XXX.78
Friday 24 February 2012, 4:19am 149.170.XXX.78
Friday 24 February 2012, 4:19am 149.170.XXX.78
Joins 16th sept 2011
Gerogian offsite has been warned that he is a farm.

http://www.blackoutrugby.com/game/club. ... y&id=60262 - Kp roofers
Buys from waikato and Penryn for daft amounts. Linked to somerset vikings by IP.
Thursday 26 April 2012, 10:47pm 195.59.XXX.104
Thursday 26 April 2012, 10:47pm 195.59.XXX.104 - Same IP as somerset vikings and Razetheroof
Thursday 26 April 2012, 10:47pm 195.59.XXX.104
Thursday 26 April 2012, 10:46pm 195.59.XXX.104
Thursday 26 April 2012, 10:46pm 195.59.XXX.104
Thursday 26 April 2012, 10:46pm 195.59.XXX.104
Thursday 26 April 2012, 10:46pm 195.59.XXX.104
Thursday 26 April 2012, 10:46pm 195.59.XXX.104
Monday 23 April 2012, 10:39pm 195.59.XXX.104
Friday 20 April 2012, 10:10pm 195.59.XXX.104
Joined 4th aug 2011

http://www.blackoutrugby.com/game/club. ... y&id=70244 - Baking badgers
Buys from waikato, penryn and kp roofers for stupid prices.
Sunday 15 April 2012, 9:56pm 92.15.XXX.213
Friday 13 April 2012, 10:22pm 92.15.XXX.213
Wednesday 11 April 2012, 12:50am 92.15.XXX.213
Tuesday 20 March 2012, 4:39am 92.15.XXX.213
Monday 27 February 2012, 8:00am 92.15.XXX.213
Monday 27 February 2012, 8:00am 92.15.XXX.213
Monday 27 February 2012, 8:00am 92.15.XXX.213
Monday 27 February 2012, 8:00am 92.15.XXX.213
Monday 27 February 2012, 8:00am 92.15.XXX.213
Monday 27 February 2012, 8:00am 92.15.XXX.213
17th june joins - same as seaview warriors. Same IP as seaview warriors.

http://www.blackoutrugby.com/game/club. ... y&id=41958 - Bushmasters
Sold players to both KP roofers and penryn islanders on the same day. both for very large fees. No link to others, but he obviously knows whats going on and has benefitted from it.
Tuesday 1 May 2012, 2:05pm 202.156.XXX.107
Tuesday 1 May 2012, 1:14am 219.74.XXX.137
Sunday 29 April 2012, 3:21pm 202.156.XXX.107
Friday 27 April 2012, 6:09pm 58.185.XXX.198
Wednesday 25 April 2012, 9:47pm 58.185.XXX.198
Wednesday 25 April 2012, 8:16pm 58.185.XXX.198
Wednesday 25 April 2012, 2:49pm 202.156.XXX.107
Tuesday 24 April 2012, 1:03pm 58.185.XXX.198
Monday 23 April 2012, 11:14pm 202.156.XXX.107
Saturday 21 April 2012, 8:44pm 209.237.XXX.195

http://www.blackoutrugby.com/game/club. ... y&id=75948 - ancient justified mummy
Bought 2 players from Penryn islanders at excessive prices. Joined 8th feb 2012, so is one of the newer farms.
Monday 16 April 2012, 11:40pm 212.183.XXX.108 - linked to sketch11 by IP
Monday 16 April 2012, 11:39pm 212.183.XXX.108
Friday 30 March 2012, 3:49am 212.183.XXX.126
Tuesday 27 March 2012, 9:07pm 212.183.XXX.1
Monday 27 February 2012, 2:03am 31.86.XXX.21
Sunday 26 February 2012, 8:35pm 31.77.XXX.191
Sunday 26 February 2012, 10:56am 31.95.XXX.202
Sunday 26 February 2012, 10:55am 31.95.XXX.202
Sunday 26 February 2012, 9:30am 31.95.XXX.202
Sunday 26 February 2012, 9:30am 31.95.XXX.202

http://www.blackoutrugby.com/game/club. ... y&id=70293 - Razetheroof
Joined 25th july 2011
Buys off penryn islanders for huge fees then sells at a massive loss
Sunday 29 April 2012, 4:08am 92.15.XXX.213 - Same IP as Baking Badgers
Monday 23 April 2012, 10:10pm 92.15.XXX.213
Friday 20 April 2012, 9:52pm 92.15.XXX.213
Sunday 15 April 2012, 9:58pm 92.15.XXX.213
Sunday 15 April 2012, 9:55pm 92.15.XXX.213
Friday 13 April 2012, 10:57pm 195.59.XXX.104 - Same IP as Kp roofers and somerset vikings
Friday 13 April 2012, 10:25pm 92.15.XXX.213
Wednesday 11 April 2012, 12:45am 92.15.XXX.213
Saturday 24 March 2012, 12:07am 92.15.XXX.213
Tuesday 20 March 2012, 4:42am 92.15.XXX.213
One of his other transfer dealings was with a team who look to be a PI U20 feeder team - http://www.blackoutrugby.com/game/club. ... y&id=41744 - Papua new guinea. This fee was low, but I would def advise chasing this IP address up and see who its linked to, as I have no doubt that it will be linked to someone else.
Tuesday 1 May 2012, 2:20pm 124.189.XXX.193
Tuesday 1 May 2012, 1:43am 124.189.XXX.193
Monday 30 April 2012, 2:37pm 124.189.XXX.193
Sunday 29 April 2012, 10:24pm 124.189.XXX.193
Saturday 28 April 2012, 8:38pm 124.189.XXX.193
Friday 27 April 2012, 7:03pm 124.189.XXX.193
Friday 27 April 2012, 3:25am 124.189.XXX.193
Thursday 26 April 2012, 3:30pm 124.189.XXX.193
Thursday 26 April 2012, 12:03pm 124.189.XXX.193
Thursday 26 April 2012, 5:39am 124.189.XXX.193

http://www.blackoutrugby.com/game/me.lo ... s&id=83071 - now bot manager
Used to manage http://www.blackoutrugby.com/game/club. ... y&id=74489 - mezileci hornets (mabe mercenaries when the manager was in charge)
He bought 3 players during time in br. 2 from penryn and 1 from waikato. All for massive fees.

http://www.blackoutrugby.com/game/me.lo ... y&id=64656 - now a bot manager
Used to manage - http://www.blackoutrugby.com/game/club. ... y&id=32048 - THIS TEAM HAS A NEW MANAGER, SO IS NOT INVOLVED NOW, BUT WAS BEFORE THE LAST MANAGER WENT BOT.
He bought 3 players off Penryn and 1 from waikato. All for excessive fees

All of the above teams are farm teams supplying cash. Most are linked in some way by IP, but all are linked with TM abuse to two teams!!!

I cant be bothered finding any more dodgy transfers as I have gotten bored of it now. Now onto the main culprits

Waikato7 - current manager of the Portugal NT
and
Darrenpellow - current manager of the P.I U20s

Both of these managers have cheated their way into the top.

Waikato7 has atleast 7 millions worth of transfers to farm teams. I know this because I have previously reported him and nothing came of it, simply because he denied any knowledge of what was going on(it could be more than 7 mill, i've not checked today). I was kicked out of the TM abuse report so that the GMs could discuss it further in private, but have since found out that nothing has been done about it yet.

Darrenpellow has atleast $17.23 millions worth of sales to the teams I have listed above. I am only half way done his transfer history, so there could be much more!!!
I have never reported him for the matter as I have only noticed his TM history today (2nd may 2012)

edit - I almost made a massive f*ck up and just left this alone. Waikato and darrenpellow share the same IP address. They are one and the same!!!

So why post here?

Put simply, the more managers who know about it, the more likely that these 2 managers will be punished for their continuous flouting of the rules.

There will also need to be consideration made to the P.I U20 and Portugal NT roles for if these managers get kicked off the game(which they should imo)

I have already proven that waikato was cheating, but nothing was done about it. He has since gone on to win the Portugal cup and gain the Portugal NT job. As far as the managers in Portugal are concerned, they know nothing about his cheating taking him to the top of the Portugal club scene. Since reporting him the dodgy transfers have stopped.....but

Darrenpellow has continued to abuse the transfer market since waikato was reported. He will soon be one of the strongest managers in the game, simply because he has an unlimited budget to work with.

I urge the managers of Portugal and PI to not stand for this blatant abuse of the TM. Both managers have both cheated their way to the top and cheated their way into your national teams!!! Report them, kick up a fuss, burn your bras in protest.......do whatever it takes to get them kicked off the game!

As for me, I'll await the GMs verdict on my behaviour for posting it here. But like I said, I am willing to accept a permanent BR ban to make sure that this cheating does not go unpunished.
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PostSubject: Re: Massive TM abuse   Wed May 02, 2012 6:58 pm

Wow. Wilf is some kind of Sherlock!

That guy is taking the piss if he's getting away with it though.
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PostSubject: Re: Massive TM abuse   Wed May 02, 2012 7:49 pm

ya i read the original one and he is taking the piss aint he but i dont agree he should be banned forever but a big punishment and deletion of all but one his clubs
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PostSubject: Re: Massive TM abuse   Wed May 02, 2012 8:15 pm

It definately looks bad. The only and I highlight 'only' doubt is how can one person have enough time to run so many club teams as well as the Portugal NT and PI U20's?
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PostSubject: Re: Massive TM abuse   Wed May 02, 2012 9:45 pm

muzza wrote:
It definately looks bad. The only and I highlight 'only' doubt is how can one person have enough time to run so many club teams as well as the Portugal NT and PI U20's?

1st off, how well managed are they? Secondly, an unemployed guy could easily manage it all i reckon.
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PostSubject: Re: Massive TM abuse   Wed May 02, 2012 10:26 pm

depends how active you are on all accounts too mr green

i'll try and let you know clown . . . LOL
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PostSubject: Re: Massive TM abuse   Thu May 03, 2012 3:50 am

Talk about getting caught , This guy has too much time on his hands and quite a lot of dedication to engineer his way to the top like that . Deserves to get his IP banned for his efforts Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Massive TM abuse   Wed May 09, 2012 5:36 pm

my little brother has a team in the netherlands and one of the guys in the league is a farm team, should he be reported?
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PostSubject: Re: Massive TM abuse   Wed May 09, 2012 5:42 pm

Farm teams are not actually against the rules so long as their manager only has the one account. It is when managers start opening multiple accounts and turning them into farm teans that you get the problem.

So to answer your question, probably not.
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PostSubject: Re: Massive TM abuse   Wed May 09, 2012 6:11 pm

Mbax wrote:
Talk about getting caught , This guy has too much time on his hands and quite a lot of dedication to engineer his way to the top like that . Deserves to get his IP banned for his efforts Smile

The guy is unemployed, and apparently this isn't the first time he's done this sort of thing on an online game (or life in general apparently). He's a specialist at working systems.

One of our managers knows him real life, hence the reason I know this.
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